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The mutant 0408
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You mean that Madoka 11/12 is finally out?
I wish I didn't visit my family in michigan now.
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Phil the Time Wizard
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| Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 12:14 am Post subject: |
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Yep. Is out and is awesome.
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The mutant 0408
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| Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 3:02 am Post subject: |
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Just saw.
Can we call that ending Dues ex? I mean technically Madoka acheived god-hood, not the gods decided too just make all the witches go away, but still.
Awesome. I'm going to burn Madoka to a disk and mail her to my friends back home.
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Phil the Time Wizard
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I'm not sure I'd call it deus ex machina. It was established and explained that Kyubey could grant whatever the would be magical girls desire. It was also established and explained why (rather brilliantly, I might add) Madoka's potential as a magical girl had gotten so great through Homura's perpetual time cycling.
And Madoka's wish seems completely in character with who she is and seems an entirely reasonable thing for her to decide, even if it did technically make her pretty much a god
To me, deus ex machina is much more contrived. A solution pulled from nowhere using elements that didn't exist before.
But awesome. Definitely a show to spread around.
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| Phil the Time Wizard wrote: | | To me, deus ex machina is much more contrived. A solution pulled from nowhere using elements that didn't exist before. |
Sounds more like you're describing an Ass Pull than a Deus Ex Machina to me.
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Phil the Time Wizard
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| Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 3:40 am Post subject: |
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If you're going by what's written on TVTropes, The page on Deus Ex Machina does begin: "A common form of Ass Pull or Writer Cop Out,..."
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| Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 3:44 am Post subject: |
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Heh, so they're essentially the same thing.
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Pretty much. I like to think of a deus ex machina as being a case when an ass pull is used as a means to resolve the main conflict and bring about an ending to something. That's my understanding of it, at least.
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The evidence of an immoral sacrifice, weakening one's self when the strength lost is NOT one given to the intended...
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